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  1. I understand some owners are fairing there hulls. I feel the class rules need to be tightened up before it is to late. A faired bottom adds a very big cost to the boat. Kenny -- Kenny Kieding Chandlery Yacht Sales Cell 805.698.7060 Work 805.965.4538 Kenny, It seems to me that in regards to fairing hulls that is clearly against the class rules.... C.7.1 MODIFICATIONS, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR (a) Below the waterline, the gelcoat may be lightly abraded to allow for the application of anti-foul paint, for boats that are to be primarily wet-sailed in their home waters. The abrasion of gelcoat shall be the minimum needed to ensure the adhesion of the paint and shall not involve fairing of any sort. If an epoxy barrier coat is applied, then anti-foul paint shall also be applied. As a class I think we should be strict about that at least for the next several years. Thanks, Mike Pitt Agreed the class rules are very clear, no fairing. Blane Shea
  2. Would be nice to have the 5th as an option if sailing with at least one kid under 10 and say complete crew under 740… would keep our family out there in over 15. Best Regards, Brandon Flack Why limit crew? I don’t really understand that rule. Put a weight limit on it verse a number. Peter S. McChesney, Vice President Palmer Staffing Services Palmer Legal Staffing 1211 Connecticut Avenue, NW, #302 Washington, DC 20036 202-464-1000, (Fax) 202-464-1001 www.palmer-staffing.com www.palmerlegalstaffing.com Brandon, Exactly. I don't want to change how other people run THEIR programs, I just want to have the opportunity for everyone to be on an equal playing field. I'm pointing out that there is something wrong with a class rule which discourages women and families with kids from racing. You will notice that I did NOT mention anything about changing the 2 person legs out rule. Anyone sailing with 5 is going to STILL be disadvantaged by that. But I see that as reasonable, because it keeps the intent of the rules to primarily be 3-4, which make the traveling programs more affordable and it IS easier for owners not to have a weigh in. Only teams who have unavoidable reasons, like all women's crews and families would choose to have 5 because there IS still an inherent disadvantage. I just think this rule change would make the class approachable to a much broader audience WITHOUT impacting the way most owners have set up their programs today. Yours, Cat Mojito USA199. Pete, I think Catherine's point was to keep the no weight limit in effect for 3 or 4 person teams. Keeping most of us off the scales and discouraging carbo dieting etc. However she wants the ability to add a 5th for very small teams or people sailing with kids and would be willing to have those few teams who could use 5 get on a scale to prove they were not over the determined 5 person weight limit. LIMITATIONS ON THE CREW (a)The crew shall consist of 3 or 4 persons with no weight restriction OR 5 persons whose total weight shall not exceed 740lbs. Best Regards, Brandon Flack
  3. A few months ago, many of us de facto implemented bungee pole retraction for safety reasons after collisions and close calls with pole "lances" at leeward gates. Is the bungee retraction system discussed on this list serve legal for NAs or not?? Sean? Noel Clinard #46 Should be a no brainer. I spent $10 on shock cord and system is in place. Did the around the aft brace. First regatta is helped at a mark rounding. Peter S. McChesney, Vice President Palmer Staffing Services Palmer Legal Staffing 1211 Connecticut Avenue, NW, #302 Washington, DC 20036 202-464-1000, (Fax) 202-464-1001 www.palmer-staffing.com www.palmerlegalstaffing.com Retraction system is permitted in the specs. -Sean
  4. Are two way traveler brackets allowed on the cockpit wall so you can cleat windward traveler from leeward side? Peter S. McChesney, Vice President Palmer Staffing Services Palmer Legal Staffing 1211 Connecticut Avenue, NW, #302 Washington, DC 20036 202-464-1000, (Fax) 202-464-1001 www.palmer-staffing.com www.palmerlegalstaffing.com 10-4. They should allow as it makes a 3 person crew a disadvantage in this regard. No personal traveler catty with 3 crew. Peter S. McChesney, Vice President Palmer Staffing Services Palmer Legal Staffing 1211 Connecticut Avenue, NW, #302 Washington, DC 20036 202-464-1000, (Fax) 202-464-1001 www.palmer-staffing.com www.palmerlegalstaffing.com Hi Peter: Not yet on the brackets, at least not the design I saw from Harken. That being said, I would like to see an improvement, as the stock design is barely adequate. I thought the Harken design was a good idea, though I have not tested any design. There is a rule issue. And under the rules, the proposed design was not legal. (Not a close call.) This is an issue that merits discussion. Also, as a class we have been sliding down the slippery slope of adding expense to the boat...very slowly...bit by bit...but good ideas. Many suggestions have been adopted. Some good ideas were adopted by custom and practice, before we changed or clarified rules. This was understandable and tolerable during year #1, but at this point we need to be an OD class where we have rules and are all on the same page. Soon the class membership will take control of the class. The equipment modification and perhaps other rule changes will be subject to the collective wisdom of the class. -Sean
  5. I understand that there was some heated debate about weight limit vs. crew limit early this year around Key West. I'd like to suggest a compromise which may allow everyone to be happy(er). The current class rules ARE inherently prejudiced against women, youth or lighter weight guys. A crew of four men at 175-185 each would weigh in at 700-740LBS. Women tend to average closer to 140-150 in sailing and would end up at 560-600LBS. The difference in weigh is at least 140LBS and potentially more.. I'd propose to achieve weight parity WITHOUT an across the board weight limit. I suggest NO CHANGE to the current rules for crew limits of 3 or 4 (NO weight restriction), but ADD the possibility of a 5th person WITH a weight restriction for the lighter weight crews. C.3.1 LIMITATIONS ON THE CREW (a)The crew shall consist of 3 or 4 persons with no weight restriction OR 5 persons whose total weight shall not exceed 740lbs. While sailing with five would be a study in crew coordination and the two people "legs out" would still be at a disadvantage because they are lighter, at least this change it would allow for the _possibility_ of all women's teams in the J70 fleet. Thank you for your consideration. Yours, Catharine EvansHull#199 "Mojito"
  6. All Here we are having just finished the first full year of our boat being on the market, water, and racing. My understanding from the National side of things is that several Rule changes are going to be made after the Nationals held in Annapolis this year, but before 2014. With that in mind and being in the position of an owner that really has no official say, I thought this would be a great time to gather some information from you fellow J70 owners about what if any rules you think need changing. if every one will submit their collective ideas on this post, I will committ to putting together a comprehensive report for the notiaonal officers and the folks at JBoats, to express our ideas and see if we can at least ensure our ideas as owners are heard. Let me add that last year before the Key West rules were issued, and after the Fall Brawl rule survey, Jeff Johnstone spend several hours talking about the potential rules ideas the owners had and, at least I think, made fair decisions about the changes. OK So please submit your suggestions including the following information: Name Hull Number J70 Class Member ID or not (If you are not a class member Please become one) your rule change suggestions in separate numbered paragraphs. I will keep this post going through August 15th at which time I will put all suggestions together in a report, post the report here on the forum and forward the report to Jeff and Al, Chris Howell and Sean O'Keeffe. Also keep in mind that those guys will probably be reading this all the way along. Finally, here are a few big issues that came out of Key West and some of the other bigger regattas: 1. Should there be a weight limit or not? Or is the current rule fine? 2. SHould professional sailors (ISAF cat 3) be allowed to drive, own boats, sail on boats as crew...? 3. Should owners be allowed to remove the winches? Well there you go. The more responses the better. Also please remember I have no official role here other than that I am a J70 owner and am very interested in our members having a voice in the rule changes that we will have to sail under. Tate Russack Hull #47 J70TRUS1 __._,_.___
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